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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  the girl next door

  Much better
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  the girl next door

  When you have clearly already been invaded, “invasion” kind of loses its punch, don’t ya think?
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
  2. current

  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  the girl next door

  Waton,

  So you see it as the USA gifting a huge investment to a country that needs a lesson in lawlessness?

  No wonder these caravans keep coming.
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
  2. current

  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  the girl next door

  I’m game.

  I think migration should be done legally. Asylum should be granted rarely or at least extremely selective. Like your country is being carpet bombed.

  I believe we created a problem with the dreamers act, and now we need to own it. I personally know some of these kids and their successes and can not imagine sending them “back to their country” when they would essentially be a foreigner in a foreign land.

  I believe “chain migrations” are fine. Families should get to be together. Do it legally. Melania did it with hers.

  I believe in the 14th amendment and birthright citizenship. It can not be changed by executive order.

  I don’t believe in separating children from parents and losing them at the border or in transport.

  I don’t believe the military is necessary in any way shape or form when the issue is migrants with little on their back or in their pockets.

  My mind could be changed on some of these. I’m listening.
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
  2. current

  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  the girl next door

  I don’t have any data on that dubstepped.

  I live in Los Angeles. If I had to guess, I would say that they all get in and they come here.

  edited: WOW that sounded really bitchy.

  Our immigration system is a disaster. It can’t be fixed. Not even a wall will help.
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
  2. current

  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  the girl next door

  These caravans happen all the time and have for decades.

  This one is special because Trump is special. It is months away and dwindling in size. Immigration is a better topic at this mid term time for Trump than oh let’s say healthcare.

  Shepherd Smith from Foxtrump News said it best, relax it’s not an invasion, nobody is coming to get you, nothing to worry about.
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  Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

  by atomant in

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  lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

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  I can’t speak to what most JWs think about their relationship with Jesus or exactly where they fit into the JW puzzle of mediatorship.

  Probably a lot of them if asked would flat out state that Jesus is their mediator. They would be wrong in the sense that that is not what WT teaches them.

  But many of them if not most must be clear by now that if they do not have a heavenly hope, they are just passengers to the whims of the governing body. In fact even remaining “anointed” not in Bethel are really just passengers. They have no say or affect on the direction of the organization. They too have a simple mandate, remain faithful to the governing body, even if what the governing body says doesn’t make sense, or lose their salvation only to die at Armageddon.

  For the “other sheep”,which lets be honest, is just about every publisher that sits in a KH, the only hope they have of salvation and surviving Armageddon is to do exactly as the governing body tells them.

  In essence, that really makes them implicit as Christ deniers, letting a cult dictate what relationship with Jesus they can or can not have despite what is written in their very own Bibles. Is it any wonder that millions reject the blood and body of Christ each year at the Memorial?

  JWs worship the governing body. Many have pieced this together and have promptly left, willing to lose family and friends, not all in the pursuit of real “truth”, but because they could no longer be a part of such blatant hypocrisy and sickening disregard for actual scripture.
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  Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

  by atomant in

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  lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

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  the girl next door

  Exhaustive proof of what I stated in post number 2 of this thread.
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  Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
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  lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

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  the girl next door

  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mediator.php
  

  Religions do not volunteer their most offensive doctrines to newcomers, and Watchtower doctrine about the mediator generally is not presented to Bible Studies before baptism. The word mediator does not appear at all in What Does the Bible Really Teach?, a primary teaching aid of Jehovah's Witnesses. Yet Jesus role as mediator is an important and fundamental teaching of Christianity, directly discussed in the Bible. In the Reasoningbook the only mention of the mediator is in an unrelated manner that attempts to explain why we should not trust in Saints;

  "1 Tim. 2:5, JB: "There is only one God, and there is only one mediator between God and mankind, himself a man, Christ Jesus." (There is no allowance here for others to serve in the role of mediator for the members of Christ's congregation.)" Reasoning From the Scriptures? p.184 par. 7

  That is an ironic statement, since the Governing Body claim the Great Crowd benefit from Jesus role as mediator by being in contact with them.

  Watchtower hypocritically criticises the Catholic teaching that Saints can be “intercessors with God”, quoting 1 Timothy that there is only one mediator, yet the Watchtower teaching that the anointed mediate for the Great Crowd is in the same vein as this Catholic teaching.

  
  Watchtower 2014 Jun 1 p.15

  Jesus acts as both Mediator and High Priest. He is mediator to all mankind, with no intermediary between himself and humans. No man is our head; everyone answers directly to Christ.

  1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ"

  The Watchtower teaches that only 144,000 people make up the New Covenant, and that Jesus is mediator for them alone. Of the billions of people that have ever lived the New Covenant is only open to 144,000 people, around 50,000 of which lived in the first half on the 1900's.

  By saying that Jehovah's Witnesses can only have a relationship with their Saviour if they are united with the Slave Class, Rutherford transferred tremendous power to himself and the following leaders of the Watchtower Organization, effectively creating the structure necessary for (and indicative of) a cult.
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  Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

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  the girl next door

  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mediator.php
  

  The Watchtower Society uses an eisegesis approach to arrive at doctrine; that is, it creates a doctrine and then manipulates scriptures to support it. This requires resorting to rhetorical fallacy to convince people what they are saying is true.

  A classic example of this is in a 1989 article explaining why Jesus is not mediator for all mankind. Following are some quotes;

  "Is Jesus the Mediator only for spirit-anointed Christians or for all mankind, since 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 speaks of him as the "mediator" who "gave himself a corresponding ransom for all"?
  
  The Bible contains both basic teachings and deep truths, which are solid food for study. ...
  
  To grasp what Paul is saying, we must first appreciate that the Bible sets out two destinies for faithful humans: (1) perfect life on a restored earthly paradise and (2) life in heaven for Christ's "little flock," numbering 144,000.
  
  ... The Greek word me.si'tes ...
  
  Clearly, then, the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind. It is a carefully arranged legal provision involving God and anointed Christians.
  
  This should help us to understand 1 Timothy 2:5, 6. Here the reference to "mediator" was made after the five other occurrences of the word in letters written earlier. Hence, Timothy would have understood Jesus' mediatorship to be His legal role connected with the new covenant. ...
  
  Consequently, 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 is not using "mediator" in the broad sense common in many languages. It is not saying that Jesus is a mediator between God and all mankind. ... The apostle John referred to these at 1 John 2:2. But he indicated that others too will receive the benefit of Christ's sacrifice: "He is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world's."
  
  Those of 'the whole world' are all who will gain eternal life in a restored earthly paradise. Millions of such approved servants of God now have that earthly hope...." Watchtower 1989 Aug 15 pp.30-31

  The article starts saying this is solid food, indicating that if you don't agree with or understand the conclusion you are spiritually immature. It then shows that in order to understand the role of the Mediator another Watchtower doctrine must be believed. However no Scripture is given to back up the doctrine that humans will be resurrected onto earth, as there is no Scripture that makes such a statement. In fact, when Revelation 7 and 19 discusses the Great Crowd it places them in heaven "before" the throne. (See Paradise Earth and Great Crowd) The doctrine of the Mediator is built upon this shaky foundation.

  There follows lengthy inclusion of Greek definitions. This seems to be a diversionary attempt to give an air of authority to the article, as the discussion has no bearing on the existence of a secondary class or answering the original question.

  The article next attempts to add weight by inclusion of a commonly used Watchtower word - "clearly". This term is constantly used in Watchtower articles to reinforce a questionable point. The writer also claims to be privy to what "Timothy would have understood".

  Not content with limiting the mediatorship to only 144,000 people, the article goes on to add that the propitiatory sacrifice, which the Bible says is for the "whole world's" sins, only applies to those that gain life in the earthly paradise. Since the Watchtower teaches billions will die at Armageddon without any hope of a resurrection, it is excluding all worldly people alive from the value of the sacrifice as well.